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Thursday, September 8, 2011

Video: UFC Fighter Nate Quarry Talks About Being Raised As One Of Jehovah's Witnesses

UFC middleweight Nate "The Rock" Quarry, is one of the most successful fighters of recent history in the Ultimate Fighting Championship.


He was also raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.  He left the organization, which he later referred to as a cult, at the age of 24.  As you can see in this July 2011 interview, Quarry has no problem talking about his prior life:

Monday, July 25, 2011

2009 Awake! Says 'No One Should Force You To Choose Between Religion And Family'

In what can only be described as the ultimate in hypocritical advice, the July 2009, 'Awake!' magazine tells their potential converts that no one should bully them into their beliefs.  Take a look at this paragraph.  Image courtesy of Saved From The Watchtower:

"No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family."
Evidently, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander, in this case.  Of course, no one should force you to worship as any religion  other than Jehovah's Witnesses.  But as one of Jehovah's Witnesses it's perfectly acceptable for the organization to intimidate and threaten their followers to continue to worship as they believe.

If you are a Witness, and later decide that you no longer believe their doctrine, or that being a Jehovah's Witness just isn't for you anymore, your friends and family members have no choice but to shun you.  If they don't, they're threatened with the possibility of being kicked out of the church themselves.

Speaking for myself, I haven't seen most of my immediate family in almost six years.  My father has never seen his granddaughter.  My mother has only seen her once, when she was 8 months old.  My little girl turned three in May.  I have found out about relatives of mine that have died, only from reading obituaries online.  I probably won't even get a phone call when my parents die.

Oh, but don't make us choose between our religion and our family.  That's not fair.  What bullshit.

Thursday, April 21, 2011

"Sell Crazy Someplace Else. We're All Stocked Up Here."

I blog about a number of different things that catch my attention.  This page started off with the intent on discussing my day to day life with Tourette's and PTSD, but that became very depressing.  I found that I had to change it up very quickly.  So, I started to write on what I was passionate about.  Some days it's music.  Other times, I'll post about politics or gay rights.  Sometimes, I'll go for a week without posting anything but a movie trailer (sorry about those weeks).  The posts on this blog that seem to get the most attention, and many times the most comments, are the ones about Jehovah's Witnesses, and my experiences from within the organization.

I tend to have quite a few readers that are former JWs, and that find my site from Google searches, looking for information regarding the religion.  I have contemplated many times about making the blog an "ex-JW only" themed page, but have decided against it, because I would probably end up starting another blog just to write about everything else, anyway.

Because some of what I write about has to do with the gay community, I have chosen to moderate the comments at this time, so I can make sure nothing hateful or homophobic appears on the site.  So, every comment pops up in my email first, and gives me the option to either publish it, or delete it.  With that being said, one of the drawbacks of posting something Jehovah's Witness related, is having to subsequently deal with the comments.  I would say that about 95% of the comments I receive are positive in nature.  In some of them, the reader relates a story or an experience they had back in the day as a JW.  The other 5% however, is a mixed bag.  

About two months ago, I published a post entitled, "02/15/2011 Watchtower: Disfellowshipped/Disassociated Ones Are 'Demons'".  Many of you read it.  Quite a few of you commented on it on various Facebook pages.  Overall, readers seemed to have the same reaction to the Watchtower article as I did:  The organization had gone too far to show the requirement for Jehovah's Witnesses to shun their disfellowshipped family members.

Apparently, there are some that disagree with me.  I received a Facebook message on March 23rd.  Keep in mind, I do not publish my Facebook address.  I don't have any links to my Facebook account from my blog.  Someone TRACKED MY ASS DOWN in order to write me directly.  I'm not going to who the message is from, but I will print it, exactly as it appeared in my inbox:
"Hi Adam
I read your message on the wall regarding disfellowship people being class like demons. I read the article in question and feel that wasnt the message the society was trying to get across. The Elder was trying to comfort the mother. Explaning to her that Jehovah understands what she was going thru. Jehovah had sons that rebeled and so Jehovah had to protect the rest of his angel sons and human race and though it pained him him he get off association with his disobedient sons. So Jehovah understands our pain.
And no im not a Jehovah's Witness im disfellowship also. I knew what I was doing at the time. We are like children to Jehovah, and like all children if we do wrong and we dont listen to our parents then we are disciplene for our own good to bring us back to our senses. I dont mean to be rude or cause offence to you. Sorry for my bad spelling."
Honestly, I was dumbfounded.  Completely at a loss for words.  At a moment's notice, this was the only thing I could type back:
"Wow. I don't even know how to respond. Good luck. I'll just leave it at that." 
Now that I've had some time to think about a better response, let me just say.......

"Oh, no!"

"Stop drinking the Kool Aid, sister."  I can understand this if, say you've been disfellowshipped for a relatively short period of time, and your residual "Witness guilt" is getting the better of you.  Otherwise, let me fill you in on something.  It's complete nonsense.  Here's why.

In a nutshell, Witnesses disfellowship for two reasons, 1) to "protect the flock", and 2) as a way to encourage the "wrongdoer" to come back to the congregation.  From what has been reported by those trying to return to  the congregation in recent months, people have been told that they cannot look others in the eye, that they must sit apart from the congregation, and that they weren't allowed to stay for the final prayer.

Imagine being told that you're an alcoholic, and that the only way you're going to get better is by going to a 12 step program.  You show up at your first AA meeting and your told that you're not allowed to participate with the rest of the group.  You also have to look down at the ground, so as to not look anyone in the eye.  Then, the group moderator takes your folding chair and moves it into the room next door, and tells you that you have to get up and leave before the serenity prayer is said.  How much do you think that you'll get out of the program?  Do you think you will be on your way to sobriety just as quickly as the rest of the members of the group?  Of course not.

Do you honestly think that, as a disfellowshipped person, Jehovah's Witnesses give a shit about you?  If they really wanted to "encourage" you to come back, wouldn't your family and friends have an active role in doing so?  Why are you defending them?  They hate you!  They hate all of us.  How could you think any differently?  How can you still buy that bullshit that you've been spoon fed all of this time?

Moving on.  Another comment, about the same post.  This one received on the site itself.  This was left by an "Anonymous" reader last week.  Again, I am printing this, as is, unedited, word for word.
they go into the understanding of yehweh Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 329] states: “Jehovah (Yahweh), in the Hebrew you have to undershand they Je or Jeh or Jah means Lord or God Hovah Hoba and Hova means, like 20 words like, Wickedness, Naughty, and more words along these lines so really who is Jehovah, who is Lord or God of Wickedness..................... Yahweh Translates into Jehovah im sorry but it does................. now this is important THE!! hear me THE Shocking Implications of 'Jehovah' We now see how the first part of the Sacred Name "Yah" was changed to "Jeh" as the "J" developed and the "a" was replaced with "e" to hide the name. The suffix "hovah" is No. 1943 in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of "ruin: mischief." It is another form of No. 1942, havvah, which is translated "calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness." Ok so who r they worshipping oh dear the god of wickedness also they preach from the new world order.. Sorry I mean translation same bible that once had 73 books but Constantine etc reduced to 66 books I'm strongly considering reading the Quran as 114 books are easily recited by children ad young as 8 in entire villages to prevent corruption and it tells u to believe in torah n Christ but be mindful of corruption Jesus spoke armaic n the word Allah is a translation of the word god their main sin is shirk associating others with the worship meant for the one and only creator
If someone has a Gary Busey to English translation dictionary, and could loan me their copy?  I would love to try to understand just what in the hell this person was trying to say.

This wasn't too surprising, really.  The comment came in the morning after the Memorial.  As many of my ex-JW readers can attest, the Memorial season "brings out the crazies".  I remember as a kid, every year there was always that one brother in the congregation that you wouldn't see all year would be rocking back and forth and talking to himself.  Or, there would be the homeless looking guy that would partake every year, and you'd never see him again.  Or, there would be that family with the three daughters that were in their thirties that still lived at home, and made their own dresses and looked like fundamental Mormons that haven't bathed in 6 months.  Only the old timers in the congregation knew their names, and you would only see them on Memorial night.  They were the Boo Radleys of the Kingdom Hall.

Then you have the troublemakers.

I had another person, this time a Jehovah's Witness, track me down on Facebook and send the following message in response to my post about a local elder I knew, getting arrested on molestation charges.
"Are u saying this to stumble others?U will not succeed.Why did the pope travel to UK?Tell me the reasons.Do you know what has been happening to ur so called pastors,priests,popes and other people who claim to be worshiping the true God?"
I replied, stating that my intent wasn't to "stumble"(a term Witnesses like to use, meaning to shove them off the right path) anyone at all, but rather to share a story.  That story happened to be that an elder that I used to know liked blowing 14 year old boys and got caught.  This individual is from Ghana.  I'm not being racist, by any means, but just making an observation.

As a Jehovah's Witness, it is against the religion to read material from an "apostate", or someone that has left the organization and is writing things contrary to the religion's teachings.  It is also against the religion to speak to, or write to, such an individual.  Doing so can get yourself, as a Jehovah's Witness, kicked out of the church.  I have noticed, in recent months, among my blog and other ex-JW pages on the web, there is a lot of activity by Jehovah's Witnesses from Africa, particularly Ghana and Kenya.  I get at least a dozen page views a day between the two countries, and I imagine they're not reading about the 'Hangover 2' trailer.  I have seen so called "brothers", openly taunting former members of the church on other websites.  It's almost as if the "don't talk to the disfellowshipped" rule doesn't apply to that continent.  Here's this "brother's" response to mine.
"I can only compare u to those in the past.Eg. Like Hitler,didnt he say he will wipe out all witnesses,where is he now and how many witnesses are now in Germany.Dont believe in God and do whatever u like in life and u will see ur end.Even those u had depended on them believe in God.Dont think i will argue with Satan.Mind u i wont read ur reply."
What a nice guy, comparing me to Hitler and all.  I write a blog.  Hitler killed 6 million Jews.  Same thing, I guess.  Same level of evil.  Of course, he did the standard Witness retort in any debate:  "Hit you opponent like a girl.  Get the last word.  Then, run like hell with your fingers in your ears yelling, "I can't hear you."

Finally, is the pièce de résistance.  This one takes the meter way past logical thinking....past conspiracy theories...and enters the territory of sheer lunacy.  It's so mad, I'm not even going to share any details as to who it's from, their website, or any of the text I received.  You're going to have to Google it.


I received a comment a couple of months ago from someone.  It seemed simple enough.  It was along the lines of, "Great post.  I can relate.  Oh yeah, by the way.  I have an ex-JW blog too.  Check it out".  And, there was a link posted for me to follow.  What I read was so "out there", that it made the conspiracy theories of Bigfoot being the second shooter behind the grassy knoll that killed JFK seem plausible.


OK, some back story.  The Jehovah's Witnesses despise the United Nations.  In fact, they think the bible book of Revelation prophesies that the U.N. will be instrumental in bringing about the events that lead to Armageddon.  They, supposedly, want nothing to do with it.


A few years ago, some documents surfaced that suggested that they were an Associate Member of the United Nations Department of Public Information.  From February 1992, until October 2001, they held an NGO (Non Governmental Organization) status with the United Nations, until the day when The Guardian newspaper published a story about their U.N. involvement.


The blog I was linked to states that the reason that the Witnesses were involved with the U.N. was because of.....extraterrestrials.  That's right, aliens.  Keep in mind, when it comes to the bible, the Witnesses are literalists.  They do not believe in evolution, and they DO NOT believe in life on other planets.  However, this blog claims to "prove" that we have been "visited" before, and that, not only are the world's governments aware of it, but they are making plans in the event of an alien invasion.


His reasoning is this:  If life is proven outside our planet...if an alien spacecraft lands in the National Mall in Washington D.C. tomorrow afternoon, people aren't going to be calling their Senator.  They're going to freak out, and head straight for their local church.  Supposedly, the higher ups at the JWs joined the U.N., along with all of the other religions of the world, to develop a contingency plan on how to handle their followers, when and if that day ever occurs.


Puts a whole new meaning to, "The "truth" is out there", doesn't it?


Wednesday, February 16, 2011

02/15/2011 Watchtower: Disfellowshipped/Disassociated Ones 'Are Demons'

You know, it's funny.  I read The Watchtower and Awake a hell of a lot more now, than what I ever did when I was a Witness.  Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to things I see in the Watchtower magazine.  While their rhetoric may not be shocking, it sometimes hits close to home.  In the last couple of weeks, I was able to see an article from a recent Watchtower magazine that outright manipulates readers regarding loved ones who may be disfellowshipped (kicked out of the church) or have disassociated (submitted a letter of resignation to the church) themselves from the organization.

The Governing Body (the "board of directors" over the church) has a way of making Jehovah's Witnesses get certain information.  If they find it important enough, they will put the information in one of the two articles that the congregation will study on Sunday mornings.  They figured out years ago that cover to cover readership, even among Witnesses, was dwindling.

The February 15, 2011, Watchtower, likely to be studied in the congregation mid-April, has an article entitled, 'Do You Hate Lawlessness?'.  On the surface, you hear that question and think, "Yeah.  Of course I hate lawlessness.  I think murder is wrong.  I don't like it when people steal.  I pay my taxes."  But, you see, for Jehovah's Witnesses, it doesn't appear to be that simple.

To be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you have to live a life that demonstrates that you hate lawlessness.  How do you do that?  By monitoring how you dress, what you watch on television, what movies you watch, and the music you listen to.  Now, I wasn't privy to the entire magazine article, just the last half; paragraphs 11-21.  From what I read around paragraph 11 and 12, it was the same old song and dance we've heard from the Witnesses for years:
"12.)  You might start by asking yourself: 'Do the songs I listen to glorify murder, adultery, fornication, and blasphemy? If I were to read the lyrics of certain songs to someone, would that person get the impression that I hate lawlessness, or would the words indicate that my heart is defiled?' We cannot hate lawlessness in word while glorifying it in song.  "The things proceeding out of the mouth come out of the heart," said Jesus, "and those things defile a man.  For example, out of the heart come wicked reasonings, murders, adulteries, fornications, thieveries, false testimonies, blasphemies." - Matt. 15:18,19
I like this.  I went to Dictionary.com, and looked up "defiled" under the Thesaurus link.  One of the results that came back was "messed up".  One of the synonyms for lawlessness was "evil".  So, in other words, the paragraph was saying that 'are you listening to music that gives the impression that you hate "evil", or do the words indicate that your heart is "messed up"?'  Then, the scripture they use implies that, say you listen to an Eminem song about him beating his wife, you'll start beating your wife too, simply because you were listening to his song.  That was the line of thinking my mother had when I was growing up.  I wasn't allowed to listen to any gay artists, such as Freddie Mercury of Queen, Elton John, or George Michael, because she thought I would become gay just by listening to them.  How ridiculous.

The part of the article that started to upset me starts at around paragraph 14:
"God's Word commands that unrepentant sinners be removed from the congregation (1 Corinthians 5:9-13)  This is necessary for at least three reasons.  (1) to keep Jehovah's name free from reproach, (2) to protect the congregation from contamination, and (3) to help the sinner come to repentance if possible."
OK.  That's somewhat standard.  Anyone familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses wouldn't find anything new there.  It goes on in paragraph 15:
 "We need to give thought to these questions:  'Would I choose to associate regularly with someone who has been disfellowshipped or who has disassociated himself from the Christian congregation? What if that one is a close relative who no longer lives at home?' Such a situation can be a real test of our love of righteousness and our loyalty to God."
Then, the article starts to play on the heart strings of the "faithful servant of God".
"16.) Consider the experience of a sister whose adult son at one time had love for Jehovah.  Later in life, however, he unrepentantly chose to practice lawlessness.  Hence, he was disfellowshipped from the congregation.  Our sister loved Jehovah, but she also loved her son and found it extremely difficult to apply the Scriptural command to avoid associating with him."
And this is where things get, how should I put it, interesting:
"17.)  What advice would you have given this sister? An elder helped her to realize that Jehovah understood the pain she felt.  The brother invited her to think about the pain Jehovah must have experienced when some of his angelic sons rebelled.  The elder reasoned with her that even though Jehovah knows how painful such a circumstance can be, he requires that unrepentant sinners be disfellowshipped.  She took the reminders to heart and loyally upheld the disfellowshipping arrangement.  Such loyalty makes Jehovah's heart glad.
 18.) If you face a similar situation, please remember that Jehovah sympathizes with you.  By cutting off contact with the disfellowshipped or disassociated one, you are showing that you hate the attitudes and actions that led to that outcome.  However, you are also showing that you love the wrongdoer enough to do what is best for him or her.  Your loyalty to Jehovah may increase the likelihood that the disciplined one will repent and return to Jehovah."
I have two words to describe the previous two paragraphs:  BULL SHIT.   Where do I begin?  First, when it comes to paragraph 17, metaphorically speaking, it directly compares human beings that have either been kicked out of a church, or have left on their own free will, to angels that sided with Satan the Devil and were kicked out of Heaven by God.  When you think of demons, you think of "evil beyond evil" (lawless).  So, if you're unfamiliar with Jehovah's Witnesses, and you read this article, you might be thinking, "Wow.  If they are kicking these people out of the church to "protect the congregation", they must have done some pretty bad stuff."  As a Witness though, you can get disfellowshipped for smoking, having sex out of marriage, and even for saving your own life by getting a blood transfusion.

What bothers me even more is how they bait the families of those that are no longer in the organization.  They play the empathy card.  "God understands what you're going through.  He sympathizes with you."  I've read a couple of other blog posts on this, and they tend to go along that line of criticism.  Check out (we are not) The Governing Body for their take on the article.  I'm going to tackle it from another direction.  The JW publications have always played the empathy card.  It's nothing new.  What they have also done, and especially in this case (in my opinion), is "guilt" the reader.  They sow that seed of guilt that festers in someone until they can't take it any longer, and then they follow along with what the article is telling them to do.

When the article was saying, "Jehovah knows how painful such a circumstance can be", what it is actually/subliminally saying is, "If God did it, why aren't you doing it already?  What makes you think you're better than God?'' Disfellowshipping breaks up families.  It breaks up life long friendships.  In some cases, it leads to alcoholism, drug abuse, and even suicide.  The only way that it brings people back to the Witness organization is that some are so alone, they miss their families so much, that they will do anything to see them again.

I have heard the rumor (at this point it's unsubstantiated, it's just a rumor) that speaking to someone who is disfellowshipped or disassociated is an offense that can get you disfellowshipped yourself, now.  If you know either way whether that is the case or not, please send me a message.  The disfellowshipping arrangement was supposed to be in place to, not only "protect the congregation", but to also encourage the offending member of the congregation to change their ways and return.  They were likened to a lost sheep in the flock.  When that sheep was found by the shepherd, he "rejoiced" when finding the sheep and welcomed him back to the flock.  Lately, those disfellowshipped people trying to return are treated like dogs.  They are told not to look other members of the congregation in the eye, to look down at the ground.  They're being told that they can't sit with the rest of the congregation, but have to sit in the library; out of sight from everyone else.  They're also being told that they must leave before the final prayer, that the prayer's not for them.  They're making it more and more humiliating and more degrading for those trying to come back.

Many of you reading this post have been lucky enough to have cool family members or friends from your past, that have still been communicating with you, even though you may no longer be with the religion.  Be prepared to have an awkward conversation soon.  The Governing Body is tightening the leash among the rank and file Witnesses.  It's not going to be pretty.  I wish you all the best of luck.

Side note:  For decades, the Jehovah's Witnesses have publicly said that they do not shun family members.  Below is a copy of the article, that clearly states in paragraph 18, that Witnesses "cut off contact" with disfellowshipped family members.  Nice little thing to keep handy.




 

Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Jehovah's Witness Organization Urging Followers To Rat Out Friends

So, I may have been out of the religion for 15 years, but last time I checked my sins were on MY conscience.  Sure, there was always gossip floating around the congregation about what Brother So And So was getting into, and what Sister So And So was doing, but you never heard of people turning each other in, unless it was considered a "gross sin", or a serious offense.  Not until now, at least.

For the last couple of years, the Jehovah's Witnesses have printed two different versions of 'The Watchtower' magazine.  You have a softer, less jargon filled version that is placed in the hands of the public.  I like to call that one 'Watchtower Lite'.  Then, there is the "eyes only" version that church members see.  In the "eyes only" version, there are two articles per issue that are reviewed during Sunday morning "meetings" or services.  The January 15, 2011 issue of the 'Watchtower' has a study article in it which will likely be reviewed by congregations sometime in March.  In it, the article encourages church members to act on behalf of  their brother in the event their brother's conscience is faulty: (Italics mine)
"10.  Some young ones might face a dilemma if they learn that a friend has engaged in unscriptural conduct. They may feel that seeking spiritual help for their friend would violate an unwritten code of silence; therefore, they refuse to speak about the matter because of a misguided sense of loyalty. A wrongdoer may even pressure his friends to keep his sin hidden. Of course, this kind of problem is not unique to young people. Some adults too may find it difficult to approach congregation elders concerning the wrongdoing of a friend or a family member. But how should true Christians react to such pressure?  
11.  Imagine this situation. Suppose that Alex, a young brother, learned that Steve, his friend in the congregation, was in the habit of viewing pornography. Alex tells Steve that he is deeply concerned about what his friend is doing. However, Steve shrugs off his words. When Alex urges him to talk to the elders about it, Steve responds that if the two really are friends, then Alex will not tell on him. Should Alex be afraid of losing his friend? He might wonder whom the elders would believe if Steve denied everything. Still, the situation is not going to improve if Alex keeps quiet about it. Indeed, it could lead to Steve’s losing his relationship with Jehovah. Alex would do well to recall that “trembling at men is what lays a snare, but he that is trusting in Jehovah will be protected.” (Prov. 29:25) What else could Alex do? He might lovingly approach Steve again and lay bare his fault. That will take courage. It may well be, though, that this time Steve will welcome the opportunity to talk about his problem. Alex should again encourage Steve to speak to the elders and tell him that if he does not do so within a reasonable period of time, then Alex will alert them.—Lev. 5:1."
 We're not talking about a situation where you know your friend has committed murder, or rape, or has robbed a bank.  The article's example is if you knew your friend was viewing pornography.  There are a vast number of things that are not allowed within the Witness organization, including: cursing, smoking, masturbating, watching R rated movies, premarital sex, and even reading this very blog post.  Half of these offenses can get you "disfellowshipped", kicked out of the church and shunned by your friends and family.   Now, it appears that congregation members are being told that it's their Christian responsibility to run to the elders every time they're aware of anyone's shortcomings.  Let me tell you, from experience, how embarrassing that can be.

Late one night, when I was 15, my mom walked in on me while I was masturbating.  If that wasn't embarrassing enough for a teenager to go through, it got worse.  Instead of walking out of my room and closing the door, or talking to me later about our awkward moment, she scheduled an appointment to meet with the body of elders at my local congregation.  I had to meet with a pair of old men and discuss my masturbation habits at the tender age of 15.  My mother was not in the room.  Neither was my father.  Hell, my father and I have never even mentioned the incident to each other all these years.  They went over a number of scriptures that they felt talked about why I shouldn't masturbate. (They consider it a selfish and "unclean" act.  They feel that if you masturbate as teenager, you'll have no interest in having sex with your wife or your husband once you're married, because you know how to pleasure yourself.)

At this point, no one is safe.  Married couples can't confide in each other.  Friends can't have an honest, open relationship.  You have to look over your shoulder to make sure that other family members in the house aren't in on your secrets.  It does nothing but make you feel guilty, paranoid, and alone.  Welcome to life as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.  Ready to leave now?